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I'm leaving

Journal Entry: Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:15 AM
Will you share this on your journal?

Don't worry, Im not leaving Deviant Art totally but I have decided to leave nearly all groups, and no longer submit my work to any of them.

I have been thinking long and hard about this and I truly believe the lack of activity on here is due to groups.
Even I get annoyed at seeing the same image appear in my watch list many times - many groups feature the same image.

My thought process is this, if I want to watch an artist or models work then I will add a watch to their profile.
I do not see why "Groups" should get the credit (and watches) for featuring other peoples work.

OK, I know that by adding my work to groups then my work is more likely to be seen by a wider audience, but I already have 13,000 watchers of my work. Of them, only a handful every comment or fave my work.

I really do appreciate every comment that my watchers make on my work and make every effort to reply to every one.

Here are just a few of my latest fave photos: Comments would be very much appreciated.





to see some of the work unsafe for DA follow me on Tumblr - photoswithattitude.tumblr.com

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  • Mood: Joy
  • Listening to: The puppy barking
  • Watching: Rugby
  • Eating: BBQ
  • Drinking: Pinot Griggio
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:iconbeanarts:
beanarts Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Professional General Artist
I have to disagree on your opinion of groups. When used properly, they're a far better way to promote ones art, and to find new artists. I've noticed more and more really quality artists from their group submissions, and my chances of someone seeing my art has greatly grown when people are searching for a particular mediam/style/theme in a group sense. There's also no time frame to worry about, nor popularity, you're work will always remain in the group watchers watch list until they decide to close is, unlike in the gallery where newer or more popular artworks push others out of the way until they're difficult to be discovered.

That's only my opinion though, and sometimes they're better for one person and more of a hinderance for others. I do get annoyed by the suddon growth in my watch list to 1000+ deviations a day, but after a few months, I've gotten used to it and found seem really nice works in among the thousands of sub standard work.
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Electro--Doll Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012
:D very happy you are not leaving!! I do agree with the group thing, but i think as i dont have as many followers the group thing works for me atm.

Hope we can shoot sometime this year?

x x

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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I understand people using it for exposure - but I would rather people find me direct, or through recommendation
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Electro--Doll Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012
i get where you are coming from :)
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Triaxx2 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
I suspect one of the problems with groups is that they tend to think of themselves as art critics. So if you don't meet their standard, no matter how fantastic your work is, you don't get in and thus don't get recognized.

I hope to see more of the popular artists dropping groups in the future. Hopefully that will kill them once and for all.
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Lets all hope! :)
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Frozen-Vampiress Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Agreed, groups tend to suck... And not in the good way! :D
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Thanks for your support
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:iconfrozen-vampiress:
Frozen-Vampiress Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:D Anytime! Keep it up.
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Dread-and-Dreams Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
A wise choice, I have been watching yours for years and i found you at random and have watched you ever since.
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Many thanks for watching my work
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Dread-and-Dreams Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Always a pleasure good sir, your work inspires. Although it wonderful to be admired and critiqued by as many who are willing look and or observe, it is still your work. I hate artistic plagiarism.
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twistedmentality Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Professional General Artist
mark you make alot of good points. i have been a huge fan of yours since i 1st saw your work. i will continue watching and faving as well as making comments.
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I really appreciate your support George
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twistedmentality Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012  Professional General Artist
no problem my friend !
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quaddie Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012
Very true Mark,people are getting too used to devs turning up from groups....much more :+fav:ing and fewer comments,the groups are taking over :(...
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
well It's my little protest -- Not that it will make much impact, but it will make me feel better by not watching most groups anymore
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quaddie Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2012
You have to do what suits you...
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Mike-Williams Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2012  Professional Photographer
I don't know and on the fence about your topic. but You at this point do not need groups to expose your work and have proven your skill to all of us( yes I am a fan).but.. groups in my opinion help a lot with exposure for artist of diffident levels, I run 3 different types of groups and take no credit for others work other than trying to help expose their work to more people..well that is my 2 cents before bed :)
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I do understand and appreciate what you are doing - But I now find I just delete all images that come up under "group" watches... As I said in my statement, the same image seems to be submitted to so many groups that it appears in my timeline several times
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AirScorp Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2012
I use groups to find artists, not follow up on them.

Thing is, however vigilant I am with, let's say, the Fetish gallery, there's always some work that I wouldn't see if it weren't for groups.

Still, I don't think it makes sense for you as an artist to submit your work to a group. Let your watchers do that.

As for the lack of activity, it might just be that you are so well known here in dA that everybody who's interested in your images already has you on watch ;)
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Well thanks for watching me -- It is appreciated
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bear48 Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012  Professional
be well
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I hope so
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chattytim Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012
I like your work. Keep up the good work. And, you never need to reply to me, I just am happy your still here.
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Out of courtesy I always try to reply to people who take the time and effort to comment
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edaoust Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012  Professional Photographer
I have to agree with you... That being said, I've never been much of a group submitter, most of my images that appear in groups are because the group asked me to feature it and I'm very very very very picky as to which group to which I will accept my photos to be submitted to...

I must admit that I am tempted to do exactly what you chose to do although I did find a few artist that I now follow through groups...

Guess we'll see...
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Well good luck Eric --- Maybe I just watched and submitted to too many groups? - We shall see
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edaoust Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Professional Photographer
Everytime I get a request to feature one of my photos I go through the group to see what level of quality the featured and if I don't like what I see I decline...
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CarnalConcepts Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Such a bold move deserves followers. After reading your argument I too will start submitting to groups much less. I don't want to be someone who people despise because of over exposure. It's like when I like a song that I hear on the radio a few times... by the end of the month I hate it
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Well good luck -- I know my "hit rate" will fall but at least I know that those that do comment really appreciate my work
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CarnalConcepts Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I was coming to a similar conclusion myself recently while pondering the value of the abundance of art. I think when your inbox constantly fills up with it, like it so quickly does with Monofacture, it lessens the impact of otherwise good work. I believe in quality not quantity. The Nazis that run these groups sometimes state laws saying they don't accept photomanips (which is fair enough) but then I find that they do. They can kiss my arse :)
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phydeau Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I feel you. Activity has become pretty stagnant since the groups took off. But at the same time, I've noticed that nothing at all happens with my deviations if I don't submit them to at least a few groups. And I have 1,000 watchers. I don't know what's up with that.
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
People have either moved away or just got complacent about commenting maybe?
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Pola-444 Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012
What you say makes a lot of sense. On the flip side. I also watch select groups BECAUSE favorite artist submit stuff there and the group submits similar things. I think it's the volume of submissions some groups let through that is killing it. Maybe that's just me. Best wishes in all you do :)
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm not very good with words so I'm glad you understand what I was trying to say
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Pola-444 Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012
:D yeah it made sense. Seemed like you're perfectly fine with words :P
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darkmonkey78 Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012   Photographer
I have followed your work for years now and I know in groups or not you will continue to draw people with your work, it was just the other day I was talking about your work with a few friends over on facebook.
You have always produced amazing work and I will recommend you whenever and whenever I can, your an inspiration to a lot of people.
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
hey thanks - You dont know how good that makes me feel!
The majority of followers were with me prior to groups, so I dont think it will make too much difference?
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darkmonkey78 Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012   Photographer
As long as you take photos your work is always going to be known fella, I use to live in HW and the talk of the town photography wise was you, and while I was working as part of the Henley regatta photographers I was looking at doing some studio/dungeon photos and your work was part of the reason I wanted to try it out.
I remember seeing a picture you did of Roodle and being blown away and if it wasn't for the confident factor I would love to be able to do a shoot like an of yours.
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Karla-Chan Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow that is a very bold move of you! I guess because you are so popular any way, hopefully it won't be too bad for you. I think the lack of activity on here is due to groups too. Although i would be too scared if i didn't stay in groups i would fade away and no body would see my work.

Part of me hops the group system will die though ^^;
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photoswithattitude Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Brave or stupid? - I'm not sure which but I strongly feel groups have been detrimental to pure artists.
I think DA should look at different ways to get art noticed - Similar to # or #FF on Twitter.
I now follow some amazing people through recommendations, not through seeing their work on "groups"...

Good luck on getting the recognition your work deserves xx
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Karla-Chan Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I hope it is brave on your part. I feel that groups have had a had a bad effect on DA too, in theory they where a great idea. But in practice they have been terrible. Not to mention some people who run then are so horrible.

I would love to hear how things work out especailly if you do find away round the groups. :)

Thanks so much, that is so sweet of you to say so. :)
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